Kansas Turkey Hunt 10/3/14

Blaze backing Lucky

Blaze backing Lucky

Blaze pointing.

Blaze pointing.

It has rained for the last 2 days and as I drove to Kansas it started to rain, again, with about 30 mph gale from the north west. Kansas, allows the hunting of turkeys, in the fall, with dogs. As I drove through the rain, I kept thinking, even if it rains all day it’s better than sitting at home. I got to the first place I wanted to hunt and it quit raining. The Lord continues to bless me.

I found the first farm in the Kansas Hunting Atlas. It shows all of the Walk-in hunting areas as well as all public lands. It was an 80 acre place that I have hunted for the last 5 or 6 years. From the road it looks like a harvested corn field with no cover but over the hill is a nice draw that runs from east to west. Both fence rows, also, have lots of cover. I put the e-collars and GPS collars on Lucky and Blaze and we started from the north west corner.

I thought that we might get out of the strong wind once we got over the hill but that didn’t work. As we started down the fence row the dogs acted birdy but they didn’t come up with any thing so we continued on to the back. There was a lot of corn left in the field and I walked up several doves. Although the season on doves was open I didn’t try to shoot any. We hunted to the back then took the draw across to the other fence row and back to the road. At the top of the hill there was a little cover that crossed back to the west side so rather than walk through a picked corn field we took the ridge. When we got back to the area that the dogs had got birdy in before Lucky pointed and Blaze backed. I got a picture then walked in front of them. There was a long brush pile in front of Lucky that I kicked but I couldn’t get anything to flush. I tapped Lucky on the head to relocate. He went down the brush pile one way and Blaze the other. Blaze went about 10 yards and pointed. I got a picture then went in front of her and nothing flushed. I looked for Lucky and he was slinking along like he was trailing birds but he never came up with anything. A lot of times in strong winds the birds will run and flush before the dogs get close. In the strong winds it’s hard for me or the dogs to hear them. We hunted back to the truck but I really think a covey either ran off or flushed ahead of us.




The next place I wanted to hunt had soy beans that had not been harvested, so we passed it by. When the soy beans start drying out a dog can knock a lot of them off. If it was my farm I wouldn’t want to see a hunter turn 2 or 3 dogs loose near one of my fields.

The next farm I turned Dolly and Tur Bo out with e-collars and GPS collars. It was another 80 acres that had CRP on the east and west with woods on the north and a creek on the south. We were only about 50 yards from the truck when a young doe deer jumped up out of the woods and started trotting away from us. Tur Bo saw the doe and started chasing. I had plenty of time so I turned his e-collar up to the max and held the button down. He stopped chasing and I let off the button. He started again and I held the button down again. He stopped quicker the second time. I let off the button. He decided to hunt in another direction than the one the deer had taken. We went all the way around this field checking all of the available cover without finding anything.

Luke was the only dog that hadn’t been run and I didn’t want to hunt him alone and Tur Bo needs the experience so I turned him out with Luke. This place is about a mile by a half mile. The first part was through some trees to get to an open area and the wind was howling as it blew through the trees. We had only gone about 100 yards when I thought I saw some quail get up in front of the dogs. Luke was over to my right away from where the quail had come from and Tur Bo was in front of me. Neither dog was close to the quail when they flushed. I called Tur Bo to me and started to where I thought the birds had landed. As we got close I walked a quail up. It was so young that it made no noise when it flew. The wind howling through the trees probably covered part of the noise but I could tell it was a baby quail.

Tur Bo came back in front of me and went on point. The quail flushed before I could get a picture or take a step. That fired Tur Bo up and he really started combing through the grass. Another quail flushed then he pointed and another bird flushed. These baby birds weren’t even holding in the strong wind. Finally he pointed and I walked in front of him and a quail flushed. He chased a few steps then came back and pointed again. I walked in front of him and flushed another quail. I wasn’t trying to take pictures I was just trying to get in front of him before the bird flew. Had I been shooting Luke would have been with us but in the wind he didn’t know we had birds. We didn’t find any more singles so we started on around the field.

Luke on a covey.

Luke on a covey.

We hunted around the field and Luke made a big cast and got lost from me. The GPS was showing him where I was headed later and in the wind he couldn’t locate me. Tur Bo stayed with me and hunted out front. After a while the GPS lost Luke and was no longer tracking him. Tur Bo and I went on around the field then I got worried about Luke. I headed in the direction I thought he had gone and finally when I got to the top of the hill it showed Luke on point almost 600 yards away. I’ve had dogs get lost and go back to the truck. That’s what I thought Luke had done. I was walking in that direction but in no hurry. Then it dawned on me that he was in the direction of the truck but not exactly where the truck was. When I figured this out he was still over 500 yards away. I started walking in earnest. I would check the GPS every few yards and he stayed on point until I got within 140 yards then he started moving. I don’t know how long he was on point before I saw him on point, on the GPS. He wasn’t leaving the area where he had been on point so I went to him. Tur Bo started getting birdy and a quail flushed in front of him.

I checked the GPS and Luke was on point. He was only 25 yards away but I had to make a big circle to get to him and it wasn’t easy. The cover was really thick with trees on the ground that I couldn’t see. It was really hard to get to him and when I did he moved up. Two quail, or more, flushed about 10 yards ahead of him in some timber. This had to be the quail that he had pointed when he was lost. It was so thick in there I called the dogs and started back to the truck. Both dogs were about 100 yards ahead of me when I saw a turkey fly near where they were. I checked the GPS and Tur Bo was on point. I started toward him checking the GPS as I walked and it showed Luke backing. I got within about 40 yards and they both were moving. I called them and started for the truck.

I checked the GPS as I walked. Before I had gone very far it showed Luke on point about 40 yards away. I went to him and was able to get a picture. Before I could get another a covey flushed about 5 yards in front of Luke. There was about 10 or 12 birds in the covey and they looked like grown quail. We followed in the direction the quail had flown and pretty soon Luke was on point again. I got within about 10 yards of him and a quail flushed right under my feet. I started toward him and another bird flushed. We went on to the truck but after him finding that many quail it wasn’t easy to get him to come in.




I really don’t know for sure how many coveys I saw today but I hunted this place 2 or 3 times last year and only found 1 covey, one time. Kansas has a lot of places to hunt with the walk-in, state land and federal. Their upland forecast predicted more quail this year. This is the first time I’ve been out this year but after today I’m optimistic. But then if I wasn’t optimistic I wouldn’t feed 5 bird dogs.



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Training Young Dogs 9/30/14

Blaze

Blaze

Blaze

Blaze

This morning was cool with no wind at all. Working these young dogs shows me how hunters, with good dogs, still miss birds as they hunt a field. Blaze had to work really hard to find her birds but Tur Bo and Luke took different lines and found them with no problem. I don’t direct the dogs to the birds. I’m on the 4-wheeler and I move through the field faster than I can walk so the dogs have to hunt fast. They learn to trust their nose and they don’t piddle around.

When I turned Blaze loose to hunt she went through the first part of the field and continued to hunt all the way to the back without finding anything. She didn’t slow down but rimmed the end of the field and hunted back to the front. When I caught up she was on point on the bird near the front of the field. I took pictures then went in front kicking the cover. I shot the blank pistol then flushed the pigeon and shot the blank pistol again. She didn’t move. I continued to kick the cover and shot the blank pistol one more time. She didn’t move. I stroked her sides, started the 4-wheeler and released her.



After hunting for a little while she pointed the second bird. I took pictures then went in front of her kicking the cover. I shot the blank pistol. She didn’t move. I continued to kick the tall weeds, flushed the pigeon and shot the blank pistol. She didn’t move. I shot the blank pistol again and she didn’t move. I went to her, stroked her sides and tapped her on the head to release her. I let her run for a while before going back to the kennel.

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

I put the e-collars on Tur Bo and heeled him out near the 4-wheeler. I started the 4-wheeler and released him. Tur Bo took the right line and by the time I got to the first bird he was on point. I took pictures then went in front of him kicking the cover. I shot the blank pistol and he didn’t move. I continued to kick the tall weeds, flushed the pigeon and shot the blank pistol. Tur Bo took a step then stopped. I carried him back. I kicked the cover and shot the blank pistol. He didn’t move. I stroked his sides, started the 4-wheeler and released him.

He went straight to the next bird and pointed. I took pictures then went in front of him kicking the cover. This time I flushed the pigeon and shot the blank pistol. On both of these pigeons, the line he had taken put him real close to the birds when he pointed. Sometimes, that causes young dogs to chase. At any rate he took a couple of steps. I picked him up and carried him back. I went back to kicking the cover and shot the blank pistol then shot it again. On the second shot a pigeon flew out of a tree near us and Tur Bo didn’t move. I went to him, stroked his sides and tapped him on the head to release him. I let him run for a while before going back to the kennel.

Luke

Luke

Luke

Luke

I heeled Luke out near the 4-wheeler with the e-collars on his neck and flanks. I started the 4-wheeler and released him with an okay. When I got to the first bird he was on point. I still couldn’t feel any wind but he was about 25 yards from the pigeon. I took pictures then walked in front of him but the pigeon was on the other side of a row of trees. I shot the blank pistol and he didn’t move. When I flushed the pigeon we couldn’t see it but it flew back over us. I shot the blank pistol then shot it again. He didn’t move. I stroked his sides, started the 4-wheeler and released him.

When he pointed the second bird he, again, was about 25 yards away. I took pictures then went in front of him kicking the cover. I shot the blank pistol and he never moved. I continued to kick the cover then flushed the pigeon and shot the blank pistol. He didn’t move. It’s a good thing he pointed from a long distance. The pigeon came out of the release trap and flew about a foot off the ground for a long ways. If he had been right in front he would have caught the pigeon or been hit by it. I shot the blank pistol again and he didn’t move. I stroked his sides and tapped him on the head to release him. I let him run for a while before going back to the kennel.




A lot of years ago a friend and I were talking about a favorite place of ours. He said he had just been down there and he didn’t find any quail. A few days later, it being the last day of the season, I decided to give the same place a try. Long story short, I found a lot of quail and killed my limit before noon. Some days it’s hard for the dogs to smell the birds and if the dog is on the wrong side of the birds, they can’t smell them. All we, as hunters, can do is give the dogs all the chances we can.



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Training Young Dogs 9/29/14

Luke

Luke

Luke

Luke

Another beautiful morning. I didn’t get out until about 9:00 am but it was still nice and cool. I didn’t train Friday or over the weekend so the dogs were raring to go this morning. I hid 2 pigeons, in release traps, on the training grounds and brought Luke out with the e-collars on his neck and flanks. I released him with an okay.

He was running fast when he hit the scent cone and slid to a point. He had run by the bird by the time he got stopped but he wasn’t close enough for it to make any difference. I took pictures then went in front of him kicking the tall grass. I shot the blank pistol. He didn’t move and I continued to kick the cover. I flushed the pigeon and shot the blank pistol. He didn’t move. I continued to kick the tall weeds and shot the blank pistol. He still didn’t move. I stroked his sides, started the 4-wheeler and released him to hunt.

There was, almost, no wind but he pointed the next bird at about 20 yards. I took pictures then went in front of him kicking the cover. I shot the blank pistol and he never moved. I continued to kick the cover then flushed the pigeon and shot the blank pistol. The pigeon flew into a tree above him. He didn’t move. I shot the blank pistol and the pigeon flew to another tree. It landed in the tree then flew away. He never moved. I went to him and stroked his sides then tapped him on the head to release him. I let him run for a while before going back to the kennel.


Tur Bo

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

I put the e-collars on Tur Bo and heeled him out near the 4-wheeler. I started the 4-wheeler and released him to hunt. He pointed the first bird and I took pictures then went in front of him kicking the cover. I shot the blank pistol and he never moved. I continued to kick the cover, flushed the pigeon and shot the blank pistol. The bird flew, low right over his head, and landed in a tree. He turned around and watched the pigeon without trying to chase. I stroked his sides, started the 4-wheeler and released him.

After I released him I remembered that I had only shot the blank pistol 2 times on the first bird. He pointed the second and I took pictures then walked in front of him kicking the cover. I shot the blank pistol. He never moved. I continued to kick the cover then flushed the pigeon and shot the blank pistol. This pigeon flew, low right back over him and he turned around but didn’t offer to chase. I shot the blank pistol 2 more times without him moving. I went to him, stroked his sides and tapped him on the head for the release. I let him run before going back to the kennel.

Blaze

Blaze

Blaze

Blaze

I put the e-collars on Blaze and heeled her out near the 4-wheeler. My routine is to say whoa to these young dogs one time when they get near the 4-wheeler, take the piggin’ string off, walk back to the kennel to hang the piggin’ string on a post, get on the 4-wheeler, start it, put it in gear then look around for 10 or 15 seconds and release them. Some of the time I reload the blank pistol while they wait. This teaches them that when they whoa they have to wait on another command before moving. I released her.

Blaze was closer to the bird than the other 2 young dogs had been but only because that was the line she took. As soon as she smelled the bird she locked up. She was 3 or 4 yards from the pigeon. I took pictures then went in front of her kicking the cover. I shot the blank pistol. She never moved. I continued to kick the cover then flushed the pigeon and shot the blank pistol. She didn’t move. Sometimes when the young dog is real close to the bird when it flushes they move. I kicked the cover and shot the blank pistol. She never moved. I stroked her sides, started the 4-wheeler and released her.

She pointed the second pigeon and I took more pictures then went in front of her kicking the cover. I shot the blank pistol. She didn’t move. I continued to kick the cover then flushed the pigeon and shot the blank pistol. She didn’t move. I continued to kick the cover then shot the blank pistol again. She still didn’t move. I went to her and stroked her sides before tapping her head for the release. I let her run before going back to the kennel.


I’m hearing good things about the upcoming quail season in Kansas, Missouri and Oklahoma. I will get some information together and report on what I learn in a few days. The weather forecast is for rain most of Wednesday and Thursday. That will give me time to get the bird reports from several states. These young dogs are coming around just in time for a good quail year.


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Training Young Dogs 9/25/14

Luke watching a pigeon fly away

Luke watching a pigeon fly away

Luke

Luke

It rained yesterday, almost all day long, so I didn’t train dogs. The temperature was in the upper 50’s, this morning, with almost no wind. I like to have to grab a jacket before going out to train. Next week if it stays cool I will take these dogs hunting in Kansas. Prairie chicken season is open now and the first of October turkey season opens. Kansas allows turkey hunting in the fall with dogs.

I hid 2 pigeons, in release traps, on the training grounds and brought Luke out with e-collars on his neck and flanks. I started the 4-wheeler and released him with an okay. I have been releasing all 3 of these young dogs the same way for the last month or so and they really run when I release them. I had hidden the first bird about the middle of the training grounds and Luke was south of it on the way through but he slammed into a point on the pigeon at the back. I took pictures then walked in front of him kicking the cover. I shot the blank pistol. He didn’t move. I continued to kick the cover and flushed the pigeon. I shot the blank pistol and he never moved. I continued to kick the cover and shot the blank pistol again. He still didn’t move. I went to him and stroked his sides. I started the 4-wheeler and released him.


He checked all of the cover in the back then worked toward the front. He was almost hidden in the tall grass when he pointed the next bird. I took more pictures then went in front of him kicking the cover. I shot the blank pistol. He didn’t move. I continued to kick the cover then flushed the pigeon and shot the blank pistol. He never moved. I continued to kick the cover and shot the blank pistol. He didn’t move. I went to him and stroked his sides telling him what a good boy he is. I tapped him on the head to release him. I let him run for a while before taking him back to the kennel.

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

Luke had had a problem finding the pigeons I had hidden so I moved them. There was almost no wind but I set the birds out for him as if there was a north wind. The way Luke had pointed indicated that the wind was out of the south. Tur Bo was in between where I had moved the pigeon from and where I had moved the bird to. He was looking the wrong way. I took pictures then went in front of him kicking the cover. I shot the blank pistol and he didn’t move. Tur Bo figured out that he was facing the wrong direction but he didn’t move his feet. He turned his head. I continued to kick the cover and flushed the pigeon. He turned around but didn’t chase. I shot the blank pistol then shot it again. He danced a little but didn’t really take a step. I stroked his sides then started the 4-wheeler and released him with an okay.

He was pointing the next bird from about 15 yards showing me that the wind was out of the south. I took pictures then went in front of him kicking the tall weeds. I shot the blank pistol and he didn’t move. I continued to kick the cover and flushed the pigeon. He took a couple of steps, at the flush, and stopped. I picked him up and carried him back. I kicked the cover and shot the blank pistol then shot it again. He didn’t move. I went to him, stroked his sides and told him what a good boy he is. I tapped him on the head for the release. I let him run before returning him to the kennel.

Blaze

Blaze

Blaze

Blaze

I caught up with Blaze as she hunted the first part of the bird field and followed her through the field. She was still moving really fast when she ran by the first bird and got the smell. She was past the bird but she pointed. I took pictures then went in front of her kicking the tall weeds. I shot the blank pistol and she didn’t move. I continued to kick the cover and flushed the pigeon. I shot the blank pistol and she never moved. I continued to kick the cover then shot the blank pistol again. She still didn’t move. I went to her, stroked her sides and told her what a good girl she is. I started the 4-wheeler and released her to hunt.

Blaze was running the edge and was right on top of the pigeon when she pointed. I took pictures and went in front of her kicking the cover. I shot the blank pistol and she never moved. I thought as close as she was to the bird that she might chase. I flushed the pigeon and shot the blank pistol. She never moved. I continued to kick the cover and shot the blank pistol. She still didn’t move. I went to her, stroked her sides and told her what a good girl she is. I tapped her head to release her. I let her run before going back to the kennel.



There are hunting seasons open for prairie grouse in the north west and with chicken and turkey seasons being open before long in Kansas, I need to be out there. I have had some work that kept me busy for most of the day. I had time to train for a couple of hours but not the time to go hunting. I will be through with the job tomorrow or Saturday. This time of the year it depends on the weather but I should be able to go hunting next week.


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