Warm Weather Musings

Yesterday morning it was cool enough to work dogs but I had some things I had to do, so I didn’t get them out. This morning it was about 75 degrees when I got up at 6:00 am. Too hot for the dogs and the pigeons. But all day I’ve thought about how things have changed since I started quail hunting.


This morning a friend called and said he didn’t mean to call me, he was trying to find his cell phone number and hit mine by mistake. Then he couldn’t hang up before it called me. Twenty five years ago very few people had cell phones and you really did hang the home phones up when you were through. It was either that or my oldest grandson, Spencer Eades, turned 25 years old yesterday. But one or the other caused me to think of the difference in the technology of today and 45 to 50 years ago.

A lot of years ago I had a dog by the name of Rusty. He was really good dog but when he got over 150 yards away he didn’t think he had to listen to me. I could call him to me if he was 75 yards or a hundred yards away but let him get 150 yards and he was on his on. Electric collars had been out for quite awhile but I didn’t have one or a lot of money to invest in one. I did my research by looking for the one I could afford. It wasn’t a name brand but I thought it would work for me. I ordered it.

When it came in Rusty and I went hunting. He started down a hedge row and when he got about 75 yards away I called him and he came right back. I let him go again and when he got about a hundred yards away I called and he came back. The next time I let him get about 200 yards away and called him. He acted like he didn’t hear me. I called again and he still couldn’t hear me. I held the button down on the transmitter to the electric collar and he went to the other side of the hedge row and started hunting back to me. An electric collar improved his hearing.

I called him at various distances from me that day and only had to use the e-collar one other time, all day. He would still try me for a few hunts but mostly he would come back when called. I put the e-collar on him each time I took him hunting. About a month after I got the e-collar we were hunting east of Nevada, Missouri and Rusty went into a pond, I don’t remember whether he was retrieving a bird or just waded in to get a drink but he went into the pond. When the water got up to his stomach he started screaming. I knew the collar was shocking him with no one touching the button. I grabbed the transmitter and pulled the battery out. He quit screaming.

I pulled the e-collar off him and when I got home I called the company that made it. The person I talked to was concerned about my dog. She asked several times if I thought he would be alright. He was fine. I sent the e-collar and transmitter back to the company. A few days later I got a package from them with a transmitter and e-collars for 2 dogs. A few years ago I threw them away. They had never been used. But e-collars have come a long way since then and I use them now.

A few years later I bred Rusty to a daughter of Boseann’s Mosely and got a tri-colored female for pick of the litter. May have been the best dog I’ve ever had. She could really run. She pointed, backed and retrieved with almost no training. The first bird she ever retrieved I dropped in a large ditch that the sides were almost straight up and down. She went over the edge and when I looked down she was about 25 feet below me with the bird in her mouth. I called her and she tried to get up the side to me but fell back. She kept trying to get back up but couldn’t. I laid down on my stomach and called her and she got almost to me then fell back. She still had the quail. I kept calling her and on the third or fourth try I finally got a hold of her collar and pulled her to the top. She laid the quail in my hand.

Susie would hunt with me but if we didn’t get into birds pretty quick she started reaching out. If she pointed she would be there as long as the birds held. Most of the time I could find her. Then I got a beeper collar for her but it seemed like she would even go farther. But the beeper helped. Then, again, I decided to get an e-collar to see if I could get her to hunt with me.

I ordered an e-collar but continued to hunt Susie while I waited. I was hunting near Atchison, Kansas and some guys were hunting close enough that I could hear their gun shots. They were into more birds than I was and Susie joined them. They saw that she was an excellent dog that pointed, backed and retrieved so when they left they took her with them. By the time I figured out she was gone and started looking they were long gone. I put a jacket where I turned her out then drove the roads looking for her. I checked the jacket from time to time and asked everyone I saw if they had seen or heard her. She still had the beeper collar on. I looked for her until dark.


I ran ads on the radio and in the Atchison, Kansas newspaper. I was at the fire station the next day but my son-in-law, Robert Charpie, drove the roads and talked to anyone he saw but no one had seen or heard her. The next day I came back and searched all day. I have never seen her again.

I called the supplier about the e-collar I had ordered and they said UPS had returned it to them because they couldn’t find my house. They had my phone number but didn’t call they just returned it. I will always wonder if I had had that e-collar for the week that UPS had it, would I have been able to keep her with me? Would I have been able to have her all of her life?

I still want a dog that will run but I want to know where it’s at. As soon as I herd about GPS collars for dogs I bought one. In the next post I will get into my experiences with the Garmin GPS and with other technology in dog training equipment.


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Training Young Dogs 9/6/14

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

This morning was the first time in a long time that I have worn a coat. The temperature was in the mid 50’s this morning and riding the 4-wheeler would have been a little too cool without a light jacket. We have had about 3 weeks of above average temperatures and I didn’t work the young dogs very often. When the temperature is in the upper 60’s or above I will not work the dogs.

I put the e-collars on Tur Bo and heeled him out near the 4-wheeler. I whoaed him then started the 4-wheeler and released him with an okay. I have only worked these young dogs a few times in the last three weeks and Tur Bo was ready. The cooler weather helped, also. He ran past the first bird without getting close and pointed the second pigeon at the back of the training grounds. There was almost no wind and he still pointed 19 steps from the pigeon. I took pictures then walked in front of him kicking the cover. I shot the blank pistol and said whoa. He moved up a step. I set him back then kicked the cover again. I flushed the pigeon and said whoa. He didn’t move until I shot the blank pistol. He took 2 steps then stopped. I set him back. I kicked the cover then shot the blank pistol and this time he didn’t move. I started the 4-wheeler and released him with an okay.


He was still wound up and he was moving fast but he was hunting. He was within 10 yards of the next bird when he went on point. I took more pictures then walked in front of him kicking the cover. I shot the blank pistol and said whoa. He took a step. I put him back but this time I held the button on the e-collar on his flanks down, on level 4. When his feet touched the ground I let off the button. I walked in front of him kicking the cover, flushed the pigeon and said whoa. He took a couple of steps. I held the button on the e-collar down again and set him back. I let off the button when his feet touched the ground. I walked in front of him kicking the cover and shot the blank pistol. He didn’t move. I continued to kick the cover then shot the blank pistol, again, and he never moved. I walked to him and stroked his sides and told him what a good boy he was. I tapped him on the head and said okay. I let him run for a while before taking him back to the kennel.

Blaze

Blaze

Blaze

Blaze

I brought Blaze out with the e-collars on her neck and flanks. I started the 4-wheeler and released her with an okay. She, too, was ready to run on this cool morning after being cooped up in the kennel most mornings for the last 3 weeks. Blaze sometimes wants to get too close to her birds before she points. I have been flushing some of them when I can tell she smells them but wants to get just a little closer. She got close to the first bird and started to make a circle around it and I flushed the pigeon. She stopped to flush. I got off the 4-wheeler and kicked the cover near where the pigeon had flushed from. I shot the blank pistol and she never moved. I continued to kick the weeds and shot the blank pistol again. She didn’t move. I started the 4-wheeler and released her to hunt.

When I got close to the next bird she was already on point. She wasn’t as far from it as Tur Bo had been but she didn’t try to move up either. She was about 12 yards from this bird. I walked in front of her and shot the blank pistol. She didn’t move. I continued to kick the cover then flushed the pigeon and shot the blank pistol. She still didn’t move. I kicked the cover and shot the blank pistol, again. She didn’t move. I went to her and stroked her sides telling her what a good girl she is. I tapped her on the head to release her. I let her run before returning to the kennel.


I have some quail in one of my pigeon coops and they can escape when I leave the coop open for the pigeons to return. The quail are small enough to go between the bobs that hang down so that the pigeons can go in the coop but can’t get out. I need to make something for the quail but right now I’m helping my son, Ryan, work on his house and I don’t have time. With one of my pigeon coops out of service I can only work 2 young dogs and they only get 2 birds each. Maybe after this next week I will have time. That would make Luke happy.


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Training Young Dogs 9/2/14

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On Sunday the 31st of August I bought some quail to work the dogs on. They were a lot younger than I thought they would be so I put them in one of the pigeon coops. The pigeons stay away from them and there is plenty of food and water for both. After working the dogs on the first of September I left the entry to the coop open for the pigeons, I had used, to return. The opening has bobs hanging down to keep the pigeons from getting out but they can get back in.


I went to clean kennels and feed later that afternoon. I saw that the dogs were all excited and running from one end of their kennel to the other. Then I saw a quail on the ground just outside the kennel area. I have a large pen around my kennels that I turn the dogs into while I clean kennels. I turned the dogs into the big pen and they went on point. I had 2 or 3 dogs pointing and a couple backing then they would move and point again. I checked the pigeon coop and out of 15 quail only 7 were left. I checked to see how they were getting out and determined that they were going between the hanging bobs on the re-entry gate.

I went to the shed and got my dip net to catch the quail. I caught a couple but I was driving the quail farther away from the coop so I put 4 quail in a wire quail call back pen and left it near the coop. I came back about dark and there were 10 quail in the call back box. I had all of them back.

Blaze

Blaze

Blaze

Blaze

Now I have one pigeon coop I can’t leave open for the pigeons to return to until I get a place for the quail. So that leaves me with only enough pigeons to work 2 dogs on 2 pigeons. I have kept quail with my pigeons before and never had this problem.

I hid 2 pigeons on the training ground and brought Blaze out with the e-collars on her neck and flanks. I whoaed her, started the 4-wheeler, waited about 15 seconds then released her with an okay. I had hidden both birds near the end of the training grounds so the dogs would have to hunt the first part then finally find them. This teaches them to trust their nose. If they find birds in the same places each time they will start pointing spots instead of using their nose.

Blaze slid to a point on the first bird. I walked in front of her after taking pictures. Since there was only 2 birds for each dog I kicked the cover more than usual before flushing the pigeon. She never moved even when I shot the blank pistol. I continued to kick the cover then stroked her sides and told her what a good girl she is. I started the 4-wheeler and released her with an okay.

My neighbor, Dave, had mowed a new strip giving us some edge where I had never hid a pigeon before. She was running down the new edge and caught the scent and whirled into a point. Then she tried to either get closer or straighten her body but she took a step and I flushed the pigeon. She stopped to flush. I picked her up and set her back then kicked in front of her. I shot the blank pistol then kicked in front of her some more. I made her stay, on point, as I sat on the 4-wheeler. I started the 4-wheeler and released her with an okay. She hunted back to the kennel.

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

My dog houses are inside the runs in my kennels and I have the dogs get on their house to put the e-collars on their neck and flanks. Tur Bo can hardly contain himself when I enter his kennel. He jumps on his house then off and back on before I can get in. Then he gets on and wiggles all over until I touch his head with my hand. As soon as I touch him he settles down and he is calm while I put the e-collars on his neck and flanks.

I whoaed him near the 4-wheeler, started it and after about 15 seconds released him with an okay. He hunted through the first part then into the middle part and went on point. Either he has a really good nose or it takes very little scent for him to point. He is nearly always farther from the pigeons than any of my other dogs. I want to believe he has a better nose. I took pictures then walked in front of him kicking the cover. I flushed the pigeon and his front feet danced a little but his back feet didn’t move. I shot the blank pistol and he took a couple of steps. I held the button on the e-collar transmitter down, on level 4, picked him up and set him back. When his feet touched the ground I released the button. I kicked in front of him and made him stand while I wrote on my note pad and started the 4-wheeler then released him with an okay.

He was running the new edge when he hit the scent cone on the pigeon hidden in the tall weeds. The pigeon was behind him and he almost screwed himself into the ground. He was crouched down with his belly almost touching the ground and his body bent looking behind. By the time I got off the 4-wheeler and got the camera out he had stood up but he was still bent in a U looking behind his self. I took pictures then walked in front of him kicking the cover. When I flushed the pigeon he took a couple of steps then stopped. I held the button on the transmitter down, on level 4, on the e-collar on his flanks and set him back. When his feet touched the ground I released the button. I kicked in front of him and he never moved when I shot the blank pistol. He hunted back to the kennel.


I’m going to build something for the quail so I can continue to work Luke, too. Also, I like having more chances for the dogs to point. When they stop to flush, they learn to point at the first scent. It’s more fun, for them, to point than to stop to flush. When they point the scent is coming to them and that’s what they are bred to do, point. When they have to stop to flush the scent is waning. I make them stand for a good while on a stop to flush. That is just my opinion but it’s worth what you paid for it.

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Training Young Dogs 9/1/14

Blaze

Blaze

Blaze

Blaze

Finally!!! We have had temperatures in the upper 70’s since the 18th of August. This morning the temperature was in the mid 60’s. It rained over an inch and a quarter last night so it was muddy but the dogs and I were ready to train. I thought they may have forgotten what to do but they hadn’t. We had a good session.

I put 2 pigeons in release traps about 20 yards apart and hid the third bird about 75 yards away. I heeled Blaze to the 4-wheeler with the e-collars on her flanks and neck. I started the 4-wheeler and released her with an okay. When I got to the first birds she was already on point. She was standing where she could see both birds when they flushed. I took some pictures (I took 34 pictures this morning) then walked in front of her kicking the cover. I flushed the pigeon that was about 35 yards in front of her and shot the blank pistol. She didn’t move. She knew the bird she was pointing was still there. I continued to kick the cover after taking more pictures. I flushed the pigeon that was about 15 yards in front of her and shot the blank pistol. She never moved. I started the 4-wheeler and released her to hunt.

I saw Blaze’s tail start whipping when she got a little scent on the next bird and before she could point I flushed it. She stopped to flush. I walked in front of her kicking the cover and shot the blank pistol. She never moved. I started the 4-wheeler and released her to hunt. I ran her to the front then to the back and then back to the kennel.

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

Tur Bo

I brought Tur Bo out next with the e-collars on his neck and flanks. I released him and when I got to the first birds, he was on point. He was in an area where he could see both birds when I flushed them. I took pictures then kicked the cover in front of him. I said whoa and flushed the first bird that was about 35 yards from Tur Bo. His front feet danced but the back ones never moved. I said whoa and shot the blank pistol. He didn’t move. I waited until he went back on point then I walked in front of him kicking the cover. I said whoa then flushed the close pigeon. His front feet still moved but the back ones didn’t. I said whoa and shot the blank pistol. He didn’t move. I started the 4-wheeler and released him to hunt.

When I got to the next bird he was on point. He was a long way from this bird but he was in the scent cone. He was opening and closing his mouth like he was chewing the scent. I took more pictures then walked in front of him kicking the cover. I said whoa and flushed the pigeon. He never moved so I said whoa and shot the blank pistol. He took about three steps and stopped. I held the button, on the transmitter to the e-collar on his flanks, down on level three. I picked him up and set him back. I held the button down as I carried him back and let off when his feet hit the ground. I let him stand for a while then started the 4-wheeler and released him. I let him run for a while before returning to the kennel.

Luke

Luke

Luke

Luke

Some of my pigeons are setting so I decided to try some young birds for Luke. I knew the pigeons were young but they were as big as the birds I have been using. I released Luke with e-collars on his neck and flanks. He was on point when I got to the first birds but he was in between the two pigeons. He was looking to the north and there was a pigeon about 5 yards behind him but he was smelling the other one. I walked in front of him kicking the cover then flushed the pigeon that was behind him. The pigeon didn’t want to fly. It came out of the trap and tried to land on a limb about 5 feet off the ground. About the time it tried to grab the limb I fired the blank pistol. It must have startled the pigeon because it missed the limb and landed on the ground. Luke never moved. I caught the pigeon and put it in the cage on the 4-wheeler. Luke could still smell the pigeon that was in front of him and he went back on point. I kicked in front of him and flushed the pigeon. This one only flew a little ways and lit in a thicket but it was 10 feet off the ground. I shot the blank pistol and Luke never moved. I started the 4-wheeler and released him.

Luke was about 5 or 6 yards from the next bird when he pointed. I took more pictures then walked in front of him kicking the cover. When I flushed this pigeon it flew to the nearest bush and lit about 5 feet off the ground. I shot the blank pistol and Luke didn’t move. I thought I could catch the bird with my hat but I missed but knocked the pigeon off the limb. He dropped to the ground and I bent over to catch the bird. I grabbed it and when I straightened back up Luke was standing behind me. He wanted to lend a hand to catching the pigeon. I had the pigeon in my hand so I couldn’t pick him up so I led him back to where he should have stayed. I put the bird in the cage on the 4-wheeler and released him to run. He hunted back to the kennel.


I used the young birds on the right dog. If I had used them on Blaze or Tur Bo they would have caught them, probably. It felt really good to be able to work dogs this morning. I think I will be able to work them again tomorrow then it’s going to be hot for a couple of mornings according to the weather men. It has to cool down soon and the dogs and I are ready.


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