Training Young Dogs

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Blaze is the dog on the upper left and Whitey is the upper right dog.

Tur Bo is in the two pictures on the bottom. His dad, Shadow Oak Bo, just won the National All Age Championship for the second time. Back to back wins.


I worked Blaze, Whitey and Tur Bo on pigeons. Whitey and Blaze have been worked on pigeons quite a bit but Tur Bo hasn’t. When I work Tur Bo I put the pigeons in release traps and hide them in the cover on my training grounds. When he points I do nothing. I stand watching him until he moves. At his first movement I release the bird so he will learn that if he moves the bird flies. At this time he chases the bird. Later I will stop him from chasing.


I am working Blaze and Whitey on being steady on their birds. I have a e-collar on their neck and their flank. They have been conditioned to both collars. When I start whoa training I use the flank collar by pressing the collar on a real light setting then say whoa. Pretty soon when I press the collar the dog stops before I can say whoa. At that time I say whoa and only press the collar if they don’t stop. When Blaze and Whitey point the pigeon I walk in front and kick the cover, sometimes I pick up large sticks and beat the cover and make noise, then flush the bird. If they chase I press the flank collar on a real light setting until they stop. I don’t say anything. Then I pick them up and carry them back to where they were originally on point. If your dog yelps or twists around your collar is too high.


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Oklahoma Quail Hunt, Day 3

On the third day I hunted Cooper Wildlife Area near Woodward. I got there before daylight so I drove to an area I wasn’t going to hunt and turned all of the dogs out for a drink and to relieve themselves. Although it had been in the 50 degree range the day before the snow had not melted as much as I would have liked but it was better than on the first day. While I was waiting on the dogs a bunch of coyotes started singing. It always sounds as if there are 40 or 50 of them. Coyotes are just one of the things that prey on the quail.


I went to the parking lot that I had hunted on the first day and turned Lucky, Tur Bo and Whitey out. We worked the area where we had seen a couple of birds and lots of tracks on the first day. It was cold enough that the snow had a crust on top so I couldn’t see any tracks. We worked the area and then went further back to a new area for us. Cooper WMA has a lot of sage and rag weed for quail food. We were in about a mile when we came to a large canyon. I hunted along side of it for a ways but the dogs kept crossing to the other side so I crossed over. As I was scrambling up the other side, out of breath, I told myself I wasn’t crossing any more canyons.

I made it to the top and hunted back to the truck on fairly level ground. Again I found some fire breaks[?] that had a lot of rag weed growing in them and me and the dogs followed along but today we found no quail.

When I got back to the truck I put these three dogs up and turned Dolly, Luke and Blaze out. We hunted back to the east along the road then went back north. Shortly after turning north the Garmin GPS said Dolly was on point about 40 yards from me. When I got there Dolly was in the middle of a plum thicket with Blaze honoring her. I circled the plum thicket and nothing flushed. I released the dogs and they started trailing then Blaze pointed. Before I got to her she started trailing again. Luke came in and started trailing along with Dolly and Blaze. All three dogs pointed then moved on. I must have had 6 or 7 points and never saw a bird. Finally the dogs just went back to hunting. I believe when Dolly pointed and before I got there a covey of quail ran for 50 or 60 yards then flushed. I believe they were far enough ahead of the dogs they didn’t see or hear them.

We hunted on north and although I had vowed not to cross another canyon I crossed not one but two. From the top of the second one you could see for ever. I took pictures in three directions, west, north and east but the pictures didn’t do justice to the view I had. It was certainly worth crossing a couple of canyons. We hunted on back to the truck without seeing a single quail.

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It was after 11:00 am and I had a long drive home and when I quit I knew my 2013-2014 quail season had come to an end. Although it was the worst season I have ever had in terms of number of quail harvested I didn’t want it to be over. I have enjoyed blogging about my hunts even if I haven’t been very successful.


To keep my blog going until hunting season next year I’m going to blog about training my dogs. At 8 months old Tur Bo needs a lot of training. I have never made my dogs steady to wing, shot and fall but I may try that this off season. My idea is to write shorter pieces, more pictures and to try to do a blog every day, Lord willing.

I want to thank the people who have been reading about my hunting trips and hope that you have enjoyed it half as much as I have. I hope you will continue to read about the training sessions. Thank you again and God bless you and yours.


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Oklahoma Quail Hunt, Day 2

Another use for duct tape.  Luke's tail bleeds really bad when he hunts.  This stopped the bleeding.

Another use for duct tape. Luke’s tail bleeds really bad when he hunts. This stopped the bleeding.

After driving to Woodward in the snow, then hunting a half day in the snow, I wanted to walk on bare ground so I drove south to the Reydon area to hunt on the Black Kettle National Grasslands. The Grasslands are farms that during the dust bowl days the owners couldn’t pay the taxes or grow anything on, so it was abandoned and taken over by the government. Several states, from Canadian Border to the Border of Mexico, have National Grasslands and most allow hunting. I first hunted Black Kettle National Grasslands in 2005 when there were a lot of quail in this area. Each year since, it seems like there are fewer and fewer quail.


The first place I hunted I turned Dolly and Tur Bo out. It was not totally clear of snow but the snow was melting and it had a lot less than further north. The trouble with hunting areas that you hunted several years ago, is comparing then and now. The first time I hunted this spot I found 3 coveys of quail. I could remember where I found all 3 coveys and we checked each place without finding anything but along the back fence with both dogs right in front of me 2 quail flew in and landed close to Tur Bo. Tur Bo went on point and the quail flushed. I dropped one and Tur Bo picked it up and played a game of keep away for a little while. Sometimes with a young dog you can run away from them and they will chase you to show you the bird. Doesn’t work on Tur Bo. Finally he got tired of carrying it around and laid it down. At 8 months old anything he does is okay. The first year, other than chasing deer or cattle, he gets no correction.

We worked our way on south and Dolly pointed in a plum thicket about 30 yards off the fence row. Before I could get to her the quail flushed without giving me a shot. Dolly and Tur Bo started trailing and acted like birds were running in front of us. Dolly pointed again and I dropped the quail across the fence on private ground. I sent Dolly to fetch and I walked up to the fence thinking she would find it lying right there. Finally I crossed the fence with Tur Bo and we all 3 tried to find it. We looked for about 15 minutes then made a big circle and came back to try again. We never found the bird.

The next place was 160 acres with a 4 or 5 acre food plot way in the back that you could only see if you walked to the area. The food plot was in the northeast corner and I worked Lucky and Whitey around the sides with no luck, then back west to an area that had a lot of sage and waist high oaks. One year I found 2 coveys on this place but today we found nothing.

The next place I hunted was 640 acres and I used Luke and Blaze. The wind was out of the north so we started on the south end and worked into the wind. This place had been grazed down but there was still enough cover to hold birds. It had a nice creek flowing through the middle with a lot of cover growing along it’s banks. I came to the top of a hill with a plum thicket on top and remembered several years ago coming up to the thicket with a dog on point. When I went in front a covey flushed on my side of the thicket and when I shot another covey flushed about 20 yards to the north. I knocked a bird down out of the first covey to the west of me. One of my dogs went to retrieve it and I was watching where the singles went. One bunch went northwest and the other crossed the road off of the Grasslands. I turned to see if the dog had retrieved the bird and he was on point. I told him “he’s dead, he’s dead” but he wouldn’t move. I walked down there to get him to retrieve my bird and when I got there another covey flushed. I didn’t get a shot. There was three coveys within 60 yards of each other. Today, although the dogs worked really hard, we found nothing.

After lunch we hunted another 160 acre place. On this one I put Garmin GPS collars on Dolly and Luke first then decided to turn Tur Bo out again. After I got the GPS on Tur Bo I checked to see where Luke and Dolly were and the GPS said they were on point 45 yards to the east. There was some brush and small trees growing along there as well some plum thickets and I couldn’t see the dogs. As I was headed towards the dogs I saw 2 quail flying back over the truck. When I got to the dogs they were still on point. I walked in front and nothing flushed so I released them. All three dogs started trailing as if the birds had run off. They trailed around some and we worked around the other side of the truck then back down where they had originally been on point. All three dogs were still acting real birdy when a single quail flushed in front of Tur Bo and I knocked it down. Dolly made a nice retrieve. Again we checked all available cover without seeing another quail.


I turned Blaze, Whitey and Lucky out on a hillside that dropped off into a large lake. The hillsides had a lot of sage mixed with plum thickets. We worked our way down a draw that during wet weather fed the lake. The cover was ideal for quail but we ran for about an hour and a half without finding any quail. As far west in the time zone as this area is it doesn’t get dark, this time of year, until about 6:00 pm but Oklahoma requires you to quit hunting at 4:30 pm. So I fed the dogs and headed for the motel.


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Oklahoma Quail Hunt, February 11

This winter is the pits. We have about 10 inches of snow on the ground and you can’t work dogs or go hunting because the season is over in Missouri and Kansas. But it’s still open in Oklahoma through this Saturday. So I load all 6 of my dogs and leave about 4:00 am this morning heading for Woodward. A few miles south west of Wichita, Kansas there was a little snow on the highway. When I got to Alva they had about 8 inches and the road was snow packed. The next 40 miles took about an hour to drive.


I found the Walmart in Woodward and got a 5 day non-resident hunting license and drove out to the Cooper WMA north of town. I used the map in the Oklahoma Atlas and Gazetteer by DeLorme. There was only about 4 inches of snow from the night before. I think that quail know that their camouflage doesn’t work and they are real spooky for a few days after a snow. The quail today wouldn’t hold at all.

The first area I turned Lucky, Tur Bo and Blaze out. We went straight back for close to a mile and then moved over and hunted back to the truck without seeing anything. I have been hunting for a lot of years and not often do I have a new experience but today Lucky kept digging his mouth into the snow. He was not eating the snow, he just kept pushing his nose and chin into the snow. When he came close to me I saw something white sticking out of his mouth. I called him to me and saw he had about 40 or 50 porcupine quills sticking in his lips, gums and chin. I have seen porcupines before but that was the first time one of my dogs ever caught one. A few years ago, Vince Dye’s German shorthaired pointer, Roxie caught 2 in one afternoon but this is the first for one of my dogs.

I pulled down the road a little ways and turned Luke, Dolly and Whitey loose. We went north about 1/2 mile and Dolly was lost behind me and Luke was way ahead, not hunting, just running. I found some quail tracks in the snow and worked Whitey in and she really got excited. Whitey is less than 2 years old and she is learning but I wasn’t sure if she knew enough to pen these birds the way they were running. The Garmin GPS showed Dolly back at the truck and Luke was 1/2 mile north hunting but not hunting for me. Whitey pointed 2 times and both times she thought the bird was right in front of her but nothing flushed. We hunted back to the truck where Dolly was waiting to be found and I put her and Whitey in the truck and turned Lucky and Blaze out.

I took Lucky and Blaze back to the area where Whitey had pointed and they got excited immediately. They worked the area real well but never came up with anything. As we worked further north Luke came in and started hunting with us. There was quail tracks in the snow every where. I noticed that whoever takes care of the Cooper Wildlife Area had disced a strip about 15 or 20 yards wide every once in a while for a fire break or maybe to enhance the quail habitat. Rag weed was growing in these strips and the quail were feeding on it. You could see the tracks in the snow where the quail had gone round and round the rag weeds.

Lucky crossed a strip and hunted down a dry gully with some cedar trees along the edges. He went on point in the bottom of the gully where it flattened out with some tall grass sticking up through the snow. As I hurried to him a quail flushed about 15 yards in front of him. I took a shot but it was really just a frustration shot. A few minutes later I saw Luke head toward a cedar tree and a quail flushed on the other side of the tree far enough ahead that Luke neither saw or heard it fly. We hunted back to the truck and saw lots of quail tracks but no other birds. In Oklahoma you have to quit quail hunting at 4:30.


When I got back to the truck I fed the dogs then headed in to the motel. Tomorrow I’m going to Black Kettle National Grasslands to see if I can get out of some of the snow. The Grasslands has an office near Cheyenne, Oklahoma where you can get maps. The free maps are okay but they sell one that has a lot more detail.


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