Turkey Hunting in Kansas

Kansas allows turkey hunting with dogs during the fall season.  With the exception of the gun deer season, the fall turkey season opens October 1 and runs through January 31.  You can not work dogs on the walk-in properties but prairie chicken season and turkey season gives you a legitimate reason to be hunting on the walk-in properties.  This allows us to see what the quail hunting will be like this fall and get our dogs into shape.

Opening day, October 1, Robin Barrows and I hunted three farms near Maryville, Kansas.  It was sunny and 60 degrees when we started.  The farmers are starting to combine the soy beans but some of the farms we wanted to hunt had not been picked.  The dogs can knock a lot of beans off in the fall when the beans are dry.  By the time we had hunted the third farm it was 85 degrees.

We saw one quail and no turkeys.  When they get their crops out and it cools down I will be back.

On October 5, Robin, Steve Minshall and I hunted near Emporia, Kansas.  We had five English setters with us.  A cool front had come through and it was 47 degrees at 7:30 am.  At the first farm we hunted Robin turned his setter Molly out and I used Dolly and Blaze.

We were about 75 yards from the truck when a turkey flushed from a tree.  As we worked a CRP field next to  winter wheat the dogs would get birdy, go on point then move up, go on point again, then a turkey would get up 50 or 60 yards in front of the dogs.  One of the dogs pointed a covey of quail.

On this farm we saw 10 or 12 turkeys and a covey of quail.  It had rained the night before and the cooler, wet conditions were good for the dogs.  Seeing a covey of quail was good for the hunters.

The second farm we hunted also had CRP with soy beans and milo.  I turned out Lucky and Luke a father, son duo.  Usually they run pretty big but the thick CRP kept them in closer.  The thick CRP was taking a toll on the hunters too.

We were taking a break when I checked my Garmin GPS.  It showed Lucky on point about 165 yards away.  It was only about 75 yards to the edge of the property we were hunting so I handed my gun to Steve and went to find Lucky.  When I have a dog on point I check my gps pretty often.  I had not gone very far when it showed Luke on point between me and Lucky.

As I got close to Luke he flushed a small covey of quail.  I whoaed him and picked him up and carried him to where he was originally on point.  I made him stand there about two minutes.  I checked my gps and Lucky was still on point.  I released Luke and we went on to Lucky’s point.

Lucky is almost 10 years old and smarter than some dogs.  When I got to him he had been on point for a good while and he was sitting down but still rigid.  Luke honored.  When I went in front of Lucky two quail flushed.  Probably Luke’s birds and Lucky’s were one covey that had split up.

Lucky moved up about 20 yards and went on point along a tree line.  When I went in front I heard a single get up down in the trees.

When we were almost back to the walk-in property Luke pointed in the edge of a bean field.  Again he flushed the bird before I got there.  I whoaed him, picked him up and carried him back to the spot he had pointed from.  I let him stand for a while, tapped him on the head and sent him on.  Luke is three years old and he knows better but we have some work to do before quail season.

When I got back to the walk-in property and took my gun from Steve we headed for the truck.  We didn’t hunt any more but we drove by some more walk-in properties to check them out for another hunt.

We have been hearing good reports about eastern Kansas and western Missouri for quail and thought that with  cooler weather  we would have better luck.  Two coveys of quail and 10 or 12 turkeys was a good morning hunt.

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Prairie Chicken Hunt

Prairie chicken season opened September 15 in Kansas.  This is a good excuse to get the dogs  out.  Where we go in Kansas does not have many prairie chickens but it gives us a chance to see what the quail season is going to be like.  Kansas has thousands of acres in the walk-in hunting program.  The walk-in map books may be found where hunting licenses are sold.  I got mine at Cabela’s in Kansas City, Kansas.

I usually pick up some extra maps for friends who haven’t got theirs yet.  I have to get them after visiting the gun library and drooling over the really nice guns.  No one wants wet maps.

Robin Barrows, Steve Minshall and I left my house about 7:30am enroute to the Emporia area of Kansas.  When we got to the first farm it was already above 60 degrees.

We had 6 English setters with us.  Five were mine and Robin had Molly.  I put Gps and e-collars on Luke and Whitey, brother and sister from different litters.  Luke is 3 years old and Whitey about 18 months.  Robin also used a GPS and e-collar on Molly.

We worked the dogs around the edge of a wheat stubble field.  We worked the dogs for about an hour.  Although the dogs hunted hard and covered the ground well, other than about 20 turkeys, we saw nothing.

The next farm had wheat stubble as well as some unharvested soy beans.  I turned Lucky and Dolly loose.  We worked them around the wheat stubble and then down 2 hedge rows.  It was warming up quickly.  We only ran about 30 minutes.  We saw nothing on this farm either.

Blaze was the only dog that had not been out and I decided to put her down with Luke who had run first that morning.  Blaze is a litter mate to Whitey.

This farm had soy beans and milo inside of a large area of CRP.  Because of the heat we only ran for about 30 minutes and saw nothing.

All three of these farms had quail on them last year.   Although we are prairie chicken hunting, we also are trying to find places to quail hunt when the season opens.  This area was not severely impacted by the drought.  The habitat looked good.  With the unharvested crops, thick cover and the heat we could have missed finding the quail.

When it cools down we will try these places again.  Steve may not be with us.  This is the second year he has hunted prairie chickens with us and he has yet to see one.  He keeps saying mythical prairie chickens.

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Training Puppies

Most mornings, weather permitting I work dogs.  I have 3 dogs I’m working with on retrieving and 3 puppies left over from my last litter.

The 3 dogs being trained on retrieving are at the fun part now.  I hate the early part of force breaking.  I help some people train their dogs but I will not help with force breaking other than loaning books and cds.

The puppies out of my last litter have been worked on pigeons in various ways since they were about 5 weeks old.  At 5 weeks I let them chase baby pigeons that can run but can’t fly.   When the puppies become too aggressive I use older birds that I put to sleep and cover with grass.  ( To put a pigeon to sleep tuck its head under a wing, grab its feet and pull its legs straight.  Watch its breathing, sometimes they speed up sometimes it will slow down but when it changes they are asleep.  Put them down on the wing that the head is under.)  The pups have to use their nose to find the bird.  Usually the pups would just dive in and wake the pigeon and it would fly away.  Soon they became too aggressive for the pigeons.  Up to this time I ran all of the pups together.

After getting the pups used to release traps and seeing birds springing up in front of them I start working them one at a time.

While I work the 3 dogs on the retrieving bench the puppies stay in the kennel waiting their turn.  When I’m through with the older dogs the pups are turned loose.  They go to the chain gang to be tied.

I put 2 pigeons in release traps and hide them in the weeds on my training grounds.  It is important that each time you put the birds in a different place.  I also bring the pups into the field from different direction occasionally.

The chain gang is where you can start to calm your dog.   When you take a dog off the chain they will be jumping up and trying to put their feet on you.  Step on the main chain and let them jump.  Just stand there far enough back that he can’t put his feet on you.  Soon he will see this is not working and will try something else.  When he sits reach for him.  If he continues to sit unhook him.  More likely he will jump again.  Stand up and wait.  The next time you can probably get your hands on him.  Hold him in the sitting position , unhook him and pet him.  Don’t release him immediately.

Let the pup run loose but work him in to the wind so he can smell the bird at a good distance.  Watch the pup, you can tell when he smells the bird.  If he points great, if not flush the bird.  If he points, flush the bird at his first movement.  At this age they can’t chase very far, so the only fun they have is pointing.  They should point for longer and longer periods.

This is the hard part.  Do not say anything.  Do not brush his tail up.  Do not put your hands on him.  When he points and he looks so pretty it brings tears to your eyes, STOP and say nothing.  To build confidence the pup must work this out on his own.  At his first movement flush the bird.

Some mornings you will get no points.  Flush the birds when he moves toward them.   He’s learning that birds can be spooky.

If your pup is not pointing but is running in to catch the bird don’t worry.  Sooner or later he will point.

If your pup catches a bird it’s not the end of the world.  Don’t yell at him.  Don’t say no.  Use it as a retrieve drill.  Squat down and call him to you.  Pet him until he drops the bird.  If he hangs on push the bird into his mouth then take it from him.

If your pup is not pointing and can’t find the birds you have hidden time after time, WORRY.

Watching dogs learn and grow into good bird dogs is what gets me out there every morning.

 

 

 

 


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Jack at 12 weeks.

One of Dolly and Shadow Oak Bo's puppies

One of Dolly and Shadow Oak Bo’s puppies


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