Dog Training, Sally And Betsy

I haven’t been doing any formal dog training for a while but I have been putting e-collars on Sally and Betsy when I turn them out to clean kennels. I have a large pen that I turn them into. Betsy is the only dog I have that gets out of the big pen. They all could but the others don’t. When Betsy gets out she normally comes back several hours later or when she wants to. With the e-collar on I hit the tone on the collar and if she doesn’t come back immediately I go to some electricity. It’s been a while since she has gotten out but the last time she came back as soon as I hit the tone. That should carry over to the field.

Betsy on whoa.

Sally watching a pigeon flying away.

Sally has several small issues. When I give her a command sometimes she does it right away and other times it’s like she wants a vote on whether she does it or not. To get the e-collar on she must jump onto her house when I say “up”. She always jumps on to get the e-collar on but doesn’t know what “up” means when it’s time to take the e-collar off. She, also, kennels really well when she wants to but sometimes she doesn’t want to. She comes when I say “here” most times but not always. With the e-collar on both of these girls are learning that when I give a command it must be obeyed the first time. Every command I expect them to do is a command that they know very well.

I decided to work them on pigeons this morning. I put some pigeons in a bag and hid two birds in release traps. I put e-collars on Sally’s neck and flanks, hooked the check cord to her collar and heeled her out with a piggin’ string. I whoaed her several times as we went toward the front yard and around toward the back. I pulled a bird from the bag, threw it in front of her and said, “whoa”. She stopped and watched the pigeon fly away.

I had hidden the two pigeons in the release traps close to where I was heeling her but far enough that she couldn’t smell them. When we got within about 20 yards of one of the release traps I flushed the pigeon and said, “whoa”. She stopped and watched the pigeon. That pigeon was to her left and then I flushed another bird that was to her right. I was standing beside her but she didn’t try to move.



After the pigeons flew away I heeled her on toward the rear of the property. I still had two pigeons in the bird bag. I threw one down in front of her and she stopped before I could say, “whoa”. I stroked her sides telling her what a good girl she is after walking around in front of her. I heeled her on and whoaed her a couple of times then threw another pigeon in front of her. She stopped. I stroked her sides then heeled her to the retrieving bench.

I walked her back and forth on the retrieving bench and fed her some hot dog chunks. We worked on “hold” and “give” several times with her earning some hot dog chunks. I put her on the ground and let her run for a while. While she was running I called her to me with the tone on the e-collar. I took her back to the kennel where she jumped onto her house when I said, “up”.

Betsy watching a pigeon.

I reloaded the release traps, put the e-collars and check cord on Betsy and heeled her away from the kennel with the piggin’ string. We headed to the front of my yard then crossed over to the north side then started toward the back. I whoaed and walked around her several times then threw a pigeon in front of her and said,”whoa”. She stopped and watched the pigeon fly away. I walked around her then stroked her sides telling her what a good girl she is.

I heeled her away. When we got within about 20 yards of the birds in the release traps I flushed the one on her right and said, “whoa”. She stopped. I walked around her then flushed the bird on her left. She didn’t move even though the pigeon flew over us and then circled back over us again. I stroked her sides telling her what a good girl she is.

I heeled her away. I still had two pigeons in the bird bag. After practicing the whoa command a few times I threw a pigeon in front of her and said, “whoa”. She stopped and watched it fly away. We walked on and after a couple of whoas I threw another pigeon in front of her and she stopped before I could whoa her. After more petting I put her on the retrieving bench.

We worked on hold and give after I walked her back and forth on the bench. Most of the dogs love the bits of hot dog I give them but not Betsy. After I have them hold the dummy I say, “give” and taker the dummy from them. I have a piece of hot dog in my other hand and give it to them immediately. Sally loves them but Betsy doesn’t care for them.

Sally watching a pigeon.

I set her on the ground and let her run. We went toward the back. As we started back toward the kennel she got about a 100 yards ahead of me and I hit the tone button on the e-collar around her neck and said, “here”. She whirled around and came back in a run. I petted her then tapped her head and let her go again. She was waiting for me to let her in the kennel.

Tonight when I cleaned kennels I put the e-collars on both of them as I usually do. Betsy stayed in the big pen. She even went to her gate to be put back as soon as I finished cleaning her pen and filling her food bowl. I let Sally out to run while I took care of my pigeons and some chickens. When I was ready for her to come back I hit the tone on the e-collar. She was about 75 yards away. She turned and came to me in a dead run. I opened her kennel and she went in. She started to get a drink and I said, “up”. She turned and jumped on her house.



Having the e-collars on both of these dogs so that when I give a command I can enforce it is paying off. Both of them are doing really well but I think it has helped Sally most of all. She was doing the commands if she wanted to but if she didn’t she just looked at me. Now she is doing them the first time with no correction. I like that a lot.

Sally on the retrieving bench.

Betsy watching a pigeon fly away.

Betsy on whoa.



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More Dog Training, 4/27/17

Roofers swarmed all over my house this morning so I just worked dogs in a small area. Usually, the pigeons I use fly to the top of my house, to wait for me to quit dog training, before going back to their house. This morning with the roofers on the house they had to fly to the trees around the yard.

Sally after the pigeons have flown.

Betsy after I’ve thrown a pigeon in front of her.

Tur Bo just styles up when I get the camera out.

I put two pigeons in release traps on my neighbor’s side of the dog training grounds. I put the e-collars around Sally’s neck and flanks, snapped a check cord to her regular collar and heeled her out of the kennel with a piggin’ string. We went to the highway in front of my house and turned back in the direction of the training grounds. I heeled and whoaed her every few yards.

When we got back past the house and across the yard from the kennels I took a pigeon from the bird bag and threw it down in front of her and said, “whoa”. When I threw the pigeon she started to chase but stopped when I said, “whoa”. I let her stand, for about a minute, watching the pigeon fly around then I tapped her on the head and heeled her away.

I heeled and whoaed her a few times without a bird then threw another pigeon in front of her and said, “whoa”. She was expecting the whoa this time and stopped immediately. I walked around her then tapped her head and heeled her away.

I heeled her by the hidden pigeons and she went on point. The pigeons, in the release traps, were about 10 feet apart. I walked around her kicking the cover then flushed the pigeon that was the farthest away from her. She wanted to chase but I set her back. I waited until I could tell that she was smelling the pigeon that was still in front of her. When she stiffened up I walked in front of her. I came back to her side and held on to the piggin’ string. I flushed the second pigeon. She wanted to chase but I stopped her with the piggin’ string. I set her back. I had her stand for about 30 seconds then tapped her head and let her run. I took her back to the kennel.



I replaced the pigeons in the release traps, put the e-collars around Betsy’s neck and flanks and heeled her out of the kennel with the piggin’ string. I heeled her to the highway, whoaing her every once in a while. When we got to the yard across from the kennel I threw a pigeon in front of her and said, “whoa”. She stopped and watched the pigeon fly away. I took a couple of pictures then heeled her away. After whoaing her another time or two I threw a pigeon and said, “whoa”. She stopped before I could say whoa. I walked around her then back to her and I stroked her sides. I heeled her away.

Before we got to the pigeons I had hidden in the release traps she smelled them. She pulled ahead of me and turned in front, going on point. I walked in front of her kicking the cover. I held the piggin’ string as I flushed the pigeon farthest away from her. The pigeon went up and flew over the top of us. Betsy turned completely around and watched it fly away. She didn’t try to chase just watched the bird fly away. I turned her back around.

Tur Bo pointing a single quail.

It seemed like this pigeon wanted to tease us. It kept flying over us. Finally, Betsy became aware of the bird in front of her and went back on point. I walked in front of her kicking the cover. There was some slack in the check cord and I stood on it. I flushed the pigeon and Betsy didn’t move. She didn’t even tighten the check cord. I stroked her sides telling her what a good girl she is. I took the piggin’ off and let her run for a while before returning to the kennel.

I put the e-collars and the check cord on Tur Bo and heeled him toward the front yard. He’s been through this before. He wanted to pull me through the front yard so we could get to the birds. When he pulled to the front I turned to the rear. After 3 or 4 times he decided to heel. I whoaed him a few times as we went through the front. When we got across from the kennel I threw a pigeon and whoaed him. He stopped and watched the pigeon fly away.

I heeled him on toward the back and whoaed him a couple of times then threw another pigeon and said, “whoa”. He stopped and watched the bird fly away. I stroked his sides telling him what a good boy he is. I heeled him away.

Sally pointing.

Sally pointing a single quail.

When we got close to the pigeons I had hidden he went on point. I walked in front of him kicking the cover. I walked back close to him but didn’t hold the check cord or the piggin’ string. I flushed the farther pigeon. His front feet moved but his back ones didn’t. That’s about as steady as I have been able to get him. I moved him back. I continued to kick the cover and flushed the closer pigeon. He didn’t move. Not even his front feet. Is this a break through. Only time will tell. I removed the piggin’ string, tapped him on the head and let him run before returning to the kennel.

These exercises are low stress on the dogs and I don’t jerk them around with the piggin’ string nor do I do any screaming. In my opinion, yelling at the dog is the worst thing you can do. When I set a dog back I only say, “whoa” one time and I don’t say it loud. If you yell at the dog when he’s by your side how loud do you have to yell when he’s a 100 yards away. How about 200 yards.



My pigeons usually fly to the top of my house and wait for me to get through training before going to their coop. If they come back too soon I’ll use them again. The guys roofing my house confused them. I had birds in the trees and as we moved around an occasional bird would fly from a tree close to the dogs. I worked Sally first and none flew from trees on her but I had to stop Betsy when it happened. Tur Bo stopped on his on. He’s been through this several times.

Late that evening I let Sally out after I cleaned pens and fed the dogs. I didn’t realize one of the pigeons hadn’t gone back to the coop and was sitting on the ground. I saw it and got my fish net to catch it with. As I started toward it Sally saw it and pointed. I thought, “boy, that pigeon doesn’t have long to live.” I walked up beside Sally and the pigeon started running. Sally didn’t move as I followed the pigeon. I wasn’t catching up so I threw the net and it landed on the pigeon, trapping it. Sally moved but didn’t try to catch the pigeon. I put the pigeon in it’s coop.

The dogs and I enjoy anything we do together. Sometimes what we do makes them do their jobs better. Now if I could just get better at my part of the job.

Sally watching a pigeon.

Betsy watching a pigeon fly away.

Tur Bo



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Sally’s Hunt Test, 4/22 And 4/23/17

I dual registered Sally. She is registered in American Field but I also registered her in American Kennel Club. I dual registered Tur Bo and ran him in a AKC hunt test. I enjoyed the hunt test so I dual registered Sally and ran her in a hunt test, put on by, Heart Of America German Shorthaired Pointer Club, at Harding Gamebirds near Ridgeway, Missouri last weekend.

Sally pointing a pigeon.

Sally on point.

Sally pointing a pigeon.

I ran Sally in the Junior Hunter hunt test. In Junior Hunter the dogs only have to point a bird and the handler must shoot a blank pistol at the flush. The dogs are judged on hunting, bird finding ability, pointing and train-ability.

In the hunt test you run your dog with another dog and handler but they aren’t competing. It’s basically a pass fail situation. There is a judge for each dog and they are mounted on horses. This was the first time Sally had ever been around a horse. Before we started I lead her near a horse, at a water bucket, where she could smell it. After just a few seconds she was okay with them.

Sally was running with a large male Weimaraner. We let the dogs loose and went about a quarter mile before we got to the bird field. Sally went toward the bird field before she should have so I called her back. She was over a small hill. About the time I thought she might be on point she popped out about a 100 yards ahead of me.

At a word from the judges we went into the bird field. The bird field was about 2 acres in size along a hillside dropping into a small low spot. It was open on 3 sides with a row of trees and brush along one side.
There were flags showing the boundaries.

The dogs were working into a strong north wind. Sally was working the west side of the field and the other dogs was on the east. I saw the Weimaraner on point but Sally didn’t. She went to the east when she heard the blank pistol but came back in front of me.



After a few minutes she pointed into the brush along the west side of the bird field. As I got close she moved a couple of steps to the south and went back on point. I went in front of her and when the quail flushed I shot the blank pistol. The judge could probably tell I wasn’t used to shooting the blank pistol. I actually tried to aim the blank gun at the bird.

It was really warm for the dogs. I had brought water and had watered her a couple of times. As we hunted the field I heard Mr. Mox shoot his blank pistol. Sally went over the hill and I tried to call her back. The judge rode to the top of the hill and said she was at the water tub that was at the start. When I got close she was standing in the tub circling trying to get enough room to lie down. Willie Castro, the judge told me that time would be up by the time I got to her. As I snapped the leash to her collar he called time.

To get a junior hunter title you must qualify 4 times. Sally qualified for one leg of her junior hunter title. We will try for another tomorrow.

Sally pointing a quail.

On Sunday, Sally and I didn’t get to the hunt test until a little after twelve o’clock. We were running in the last brace of the day but someone had canceled with 3 dogs. When I got there, they were running the first brace of the juniors. It only takes 15 to 20 minutes to run a junior hunter brace.

Sunday was hotter than the day before. Sally ran with a young short hair. About 50 yards from the break away both dogs were chasing a quail that was in the air. I’m not sure where it came from. We went on around the toward the bird field.

Just south of the bird field I saw a quail running on the ground between the two dogs. The short hair pointed and Sally started to point but the temptation was too great. She went toward the quail and it flew. She followed. The lady running the short hair fired her blank pistol.

Sally followed the quail to a strip of brush. I saw her point and another quail flushed. I called her out of the brush and got her started through the bird field. The wind was out of the south and we were going with the wind.

Sally pointing a quail.

As we went through the bird field Sally stopped along the brush where she had pointed the day before but didn’t point. She continued on and then took off to the north really fast. She may have flushed a quail and chased. I never saw the bird. A little later she did it again and the judge said she was chasing a quail. I called her back and time was up, thankfully.

Sally is just ten months old. She did real good on Saturday but Sunday was an off day for her. I hunted her during the last season and during that time I had more than one off day. So I’m okay with her having an off day.



Running in a hunt test is different from running a field trial. In the hunt test, there is no competition and everyone is wanting your dog to do well. The Heart Of America German Shorthaired Club puts on a good hunt test. They seem to have enough volunteers that each brace goes off on time.

The judges on Saturday were Willie Castro and Ken Noth. On Sunday they were Chuck Parietti and Waylon Russel. These guys have to, or get to, watch each dog. They have a tough job and they did it well.

I enjoyed my two days with the HOAGSPC, they were a friendly bunch and I will be back.

Some of the people at the hunt test.

Sally’s hunt test ribbon.

Sally Joe pointing a pigeon.



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Dogs, Barking And Loud Noises

This time of year, with thunder storms rolling through, the dogs go into their house and hide. We put human thought into this, thinking that since gun shots don’t bother them other loud noises shouldn’t either. Dogs don’t think in human terms.

Luke on point and Lucky, on the left, honoring.

When I started in Sally came in front of me, saw Luke and Lucky and honored.

Betsy pointing a pigeon.

I had an English setter male, Pal, that I took to a training seminar. He was about 3 years old and had been hunted since he was a puppy. The guy running the seminar was working with him and shot a blank pistol. Pal visibly reacted to the shot. The guy said, “is he gun shy”. I said, “No. He’s been hunted for 3 years and he’s not gun shy.” He got a shot gun and Pal showed no reaction to the shot gun at all.

When I lived in town, with my kennels closer to my house, a lot of times I would hear the dogs hit the back of their house when neighbors shot fire works. The dogs would hear the thunder long before I do and wouldn’t come out of their house.

I had a female setter named Judy that hated the sound of the lawn mower. If she was loose in the back yard when I mowed she would get behind me and stick her head between my legs. She would make each round with me until I finished.

I had Judy in northern Missouri one fall when a thunder storm came through. I should have waited in the truck or went home but I was young and nothing could bother me. I walked around with my gun barrel pointed up looking like a good lightening rod. Judy walked along with me holding her head against my knee. A rooster pheasant flushed in front of me and I knocked it down. Judy ran out, picked the pheasant up and delivered it to me. She then put her head against my knee and we continued the hunt.

Most dogs don’t like sirens. If I’m at the kennel and a siren comes down the highway the dogs don’t bark. If I’m not close they all go off. I’ve trained my dogs not to bark while I’m at the kennel. Most of the time when I’m working dogs they don’t bark even when I’m at the very back.



When the dogs bark, even late at night, I usually yell, “hush”. If they don’t stop I take a broom, stick or something to hit against their pen. I beat against the pen, scream and yell. The dogs are barking because they want to see you but they don’t want to see you when you are crazy.

One morning about 2:00 am I had a dog barking that woke me up. I told it to hush but it did no good. I was still about half asleep when I started down to the kennels. There was a full moon and I figured the dog was just barking at the moon. I grabbed a dust mop with a big fluffy head on it. Usually, when I get down to the kennel the barking dog will be looking guilty and a couple of others will be standing around saying, “see. I told you he would come down here and he will be crazy.”

This time even the barking dog was inside his house. I started screaming and swung the dust mop against the pen. In my half asleep state I thought the head of the dust mop went right through the chain link. It went to the other end then turned, came back, went up the fence and over. It turned out to be a bob cat. I had the dogs on self feeders and the bob cat was eating out of one of the dogs feeders.



Where I live I have deer, turkeys, rabbits, squirrels and various other creatures coming close to the kennels. Most of the animals know that the dogs can’t get to them. If several, or even two dogs, are barking at the same time I know something is out there. I don’t say anything to the dogs unless I’m close to the kennel. If just one dog is barking I yell, “hush”. Usually, that stops it without me having to go down, beat on the kennel and go crazy. They don’t want to see me crazy.

Betsy after the pigeon has flown away.

This is me teaching heel and whoa to Sally.

Sally Joe pointing a pigeon.



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