Another Kansas Quail Hunt, 1/25/19, Day One

It’s been cold and miserable around home for quite a while now. I got tired of not being able to quail hunt so I started checking for warmer weather. South central Kansas was without snow and was much warmer than what it is at home. Didn’t take much to get me heading that way.

Mann on pigeons.

Babe on pigeons.

Sally honoring Tur Bo.

When I left home early Friday morning it was 8 degrees. The farther I went south the warmer it got. By the time I got close to where I was going the temperature was in the upper twenties. Almost gale force winds but no snow and much warmer. Before the day was over it was in the mid forties.

The first place I turned dogs out on was a huge pasture that had been grazed but still had a lot of cover. I turned Luke, Sally and Mann out with their GPS collars and e-collars. The strong wind was out of the south west and we went to the south. There was a hedge row near where I had parked and Luke went on point before we got through to the other side.

He was standing in a plum thicket. Sally came about 10 yards in front of him, without seeing him, in some tall weeds and locked up. I was thinking, “man this is great. We’re not 50 yards from the truck”. I walked in and nothing. The dogs started trailing into the wind and we never came up with anything.

This area is really sandy and I could see pheasant tracks in the plum thickets. We went about a half mile to the south then turned west. The dogs pointed a few times but when I got close they would start trailing, again. Finally, on one of Sally’s points, two rooster pheasants flushed well out in front of her, cackling as they flew away. Sounds like laughter.

We hunted to the western fence line then went along the fence line to the north for 3 or 400 yards then back to the east toward the truck. I think Sally found some more pheasants. She was to the south about 200 yards and she would go on point but before I could get close she would be moving again.



Luke and Mann were in front of me and as I watched Mann he whirled around and went on point about 30 yards from me. I took about one step toward him and a single quail flushed from about 10 yards ahead of him. It flew right over the top of him with the wind pushing it. The worst part of hunting alone is when you make a really good shot and no one to see it. The quail fell belly up in a small plum thicket. I got Mann in to find it. He picked it up and brought it out of the thicket then dropped the bird but stood over it. I went to him and petted him. He picked the bird up and dropped it when I said, “give”.

It was warming up and when we got back close to the truck I was taking the dogs by a small pond before putting them in the truck. A single quail flushed from the other side of a plum thicket. I heard it but didn’t see it until it was a hundred yards away. I got Mann and Sally in to hunt the area where the quail had flushed from.

There was some tall weeds on the side of the plum thicket where the single had flushed from. Sally went on point looking way out front of where she was standing. I walked in from the side of her but 10 yards in front. A single quail flushed flying with the wind. It dropped into a bare ground area around the pond. Sally ran to the dead bird and picked it then dropped it. Mann ran over and she picked the bird up so he wouldn’t get it. I called her and she turned toward me but stopped short. I went to her and she dropped the bird in my hand.

The limb I shot off the cedar tree.

These two birds could have been birds from the first point that had run out and flushed. We were almost back to the truck so that would have not been far for some singles to come. The bird Mann had pointed was about a half mile away. I don’t know where that bird came from. After checking that area real good for more singles I loaded the dogs and went to another place.

I turned Tur Bo, Babe and Luke out with their e-collars and GPS collars. We went along the edge of a harvested corn field that changed to a harvested soy bean field as we got farther back. The row crops were just off the place we were hunting which was a large pasture, with lots of plum thickets.

We followed the fence row to the back, moved over 300 yards and headed back toward the truck. I had found a covey of quail a few years ago near a grove of cedar trees so we headed toward them. I checked the GPS when we got near the cedars and it showed Babe on point 325 yards to the north. I thought she was probably off of the walk-in but I started to her. I tried to go through the clump of cedars but it was almost impossible.

Sally on point.

I have never seen anything like this. The cedars were growing close together which made it hard to get through but there were also a lot of downed trees. I would start through and get stopped by some down trees almost like brush piles. I finally made it through to the fence that divided the walk-in from the harvested fields. Baber was still on point 140 yards to the north, off the place.

I went to the road and started toward her. She was standing in the edge of the road looking into some tall weeds. Tur Bo honored when he got close. I was still 30 yards or so from her when the birds flushed, flying back onto the walk-in.

I watched about 8 quail fly back onto the walk-in with some more flying along the fence row. It was pretty warm and these dogs were tired so I put them up and got Mann and Sally out. We went back to the walk-in where I had seen the quail fly into.

The dogs worked all of that plus we went up the fence row then back down with the dogs poaching, just a little. No birds. I went through some tall grass just outside the thick cedar clump with Mann. Sally wasn’t in sight and I check the GPS. She was on point inside the clump of cedars about 50 yards from me.

I started to her from the west side and got within 30 yards but I couldn’t get through. I went around to the south side but I couldn’t get to her. I went to the north side and couldn’t get through. I had to cross a 5 strand barb wire fence and walk down the road, cross the barb wire fence again then try to get to her. The first attempt failed but I was able to make a circle in the cedars and get close. I took a couple of pictures but the sun was wrong and they are terrible but they show some of the tangle.

Tur Bo onpoint. Mann honoring.

By the time I got there Mann was honoring. I had already made up my mind, as long as it took for me to get there, I was going to shoot even if I couldn’t see the quail. In this cedar grove there was no grass growing. The only cover was limbs that had fallen and the brush pile things that kept me from getting through. I got close to Sally and a single quail flushed. I knew I wasn’t even close when I shot and the only thing that fell was a small limb off the cedar tree.

The dogs went on through the cedars and I followed as best I could. Sally went on point again looking into a large cedar tree. This time she was close and I had very little trouble getting to her. The quail flushed on the other side of the tree and I heard 2 or 3 more flush as well. I never saw any of these quail.



It was close to my self imposed quitting time of 4:30 pm so I fed dogs and cleaned the two quail that I had. I’ve decided that I won’t hunt past 4:30 to give the quail a chance to get back together before dark. On state owned lands in Oklahoma 4:30 is quitting time for quail hunting for this reason. In the northern part of the quails range it’s probably more important than it is in Oklahoma.

Bad picture but it’s Mann honoring Sally. It took a long time to get to her.

I thought someone had erected a cross in the middle of a pasture.

It was an oil field pump.




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Snowy Day, No Quail Hunting

I’m not sure where I could go quail hunting and get out of this snow. Last night I thought about going to south west Kansas but the weather people were talking about heavy fog with zero visibility. Also, the fog was supposed to freeze on the highways. The season is winding down but with the snow on the ground here, southern Iowa and northern Kansas this is a good day to stay home.

Sally on wild quail.

Tur Bo onpoint. Mann honoring.

Tur Bo on point.

The day before this storm, that dropped about 8 or 9 inches of snow on us, I went to Kansas quail hunting. I have been driving quite a ways into Kansas to quail hunt and then hunt back to the east so I would be closer to home when it came time to quit. This time I decided to hunt to the west. New area.

I drove by several walk-in areas before finding one I wanted to turn the dogs out on. It’s late in the year and the farmers need their grass for the cows. Seems like more cows than grass.

The place I chose appeared to be a large pasture, 500 acres or so, along a harvested corn field that was in a small bottom. There was a creek that ran along the corn field with a bluff between the pasture and corn field.

I crossed the corn field then found a way across the creek. The creek was wider and deeper than I thought but I found a rocky riffle to cross. Then it was up the bluff that was covered with a lot of brush but when I came to the pasture it looked really good. The farm had used it for pasture but it wasn’t grazed down as a lot of them are this time of year.

I had turned Sally, Tur Bo and Mann loose with their e-collars and GPS collars. The wind was really strong from the south west, bringing in the storm for the next day. This pasture had a lot of plum thickets scattered over it. Perfect quail cover.



We had come in along the southern border of this property. About a half mile in Sally went on point along the south fence row. Tur Bo and Mann honored before I got to her. When I walked by her they all started moving. They trailed a ways then went back to hunting.

We went a little farther west then turned to the north. Over a hill, about a hundred yards from me Tur Bo went on point with Sally and Mann honoring before I got there. They were looking into a strung out plum thicket that went up the hill for 75 yards. When I got to them they started moving. Sally and Mann both trailed for a ways then pointed. Both started trailing again when I got to them. Something had run out on them.

The dogs pointed 4 or 5 times on this pasture and I never saw a bird. I think with the strong wind rattling every thing and the storm coming in the birds were just running off, then flushing.

Tur Bo on point.

We made a big circle and worked our way back to the truck. The only place I found to cross the creek was at the riffle I had found earlier. I loaded the dogs and started driving again.

The next farm I turned dogs out on looked better from the road than it really was. That’s part of hunting new areas. I turned Luke and Babe out with their e-collars and GPS collars.

This farm was grass beside harvested soy bean fields. There was some fence rows but when I got to them I found that there was very little cover. We never even had anything to get my hopes up. The best part of this farm was it had some meadow larks and Babe really liked them. Some of the meadow larks spent their next night in different county than they had the night before. Babe can really run.

Babe with a sleeping pigeon in front of her.

When I put the dogs in their boxes I thought of a farm that was on the way home, that I haven’t been to this year. I have hunted it for a lot of years and usually find a covey or two of birds. When I got to it there was a cow for every blade of grass. It had been grazed down to nothing. I didn’t even turn a dog loose. Maybe next year. I headed home.

In a strong wind and especially right before a big storm quail, are really skittish. The strong wind is rattling everything and one of quail’s defenses is their hearing. With all of the noise they can’t tell whether it’s danger or not and they don’t take any chances. It’s not a game, it’s life or death with them.



That big pasture is under a bunch of snow right now but I will try to remember it and go back. Probably not this year unless it really warms up but, hopefully, next year. Quail do not need the stress of this snow storm and the stress of hunters in their life, too.

Sally honoring Tur Bo.

Mann honoring.

Luke pointing two quail.



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Quail Hunting In Iowa, 1/9/19

Vince Dye and I went to Iowa, quail hunting, on the ninth of January. We had a strong wind out of the north west. Not gale force but close. I looked up gale force and it’s 34 to 47 knots per hour. It wasn’t gale force but they were strong.

Vince’s short hair Allie.

Allie backing Mann who is honoring Tur Bo.

Sally honoring Tur Bo.

We went to a public hunting area that we had hunted earlier in the year. The other time we had seen 3 or 4 coveys and shot a couple of pheasants. Vince had his German short haired pointer Allie as well as his English Cocker spaniel, Maggie. I had Tur Bo, Sally and Mann, my English setters. We put e-collars and GPS collars on all of them except Maggie. She doesn’t need anything. She stays close but she’s always moving.

The Conservation Department has done a really good job with this area. It is full of fields of harvested soy beans bordered by hedge rows with plenty of grass and weedy cover near.

We went down a hedge row for over a quarter of a mile. When we finished the hedge row I saw Sally on a hill, on point. Allie saw her and honored. They were too far for a picture but I got the camera ready as we walked toward them. We were still 50 yards from them when they started moving. They trailed for a while then went back to hunting.

We went down another hedge row then through a large grass field. As I was going through some horse weeds, taller than my head, a hen pheasant flushed right in front of me. We have seen a few pheasants here but Vince reminded me, this was the first hen we had seen on this area.

There were lots of hedge rows and weed fields. We walked areas we hadn’t been to before but with the strong winds and every thing rattling the quail weren’t holding for the dogs, in my opinion. We had several points but when we got to them there was nothing there. In strong winds, I’ve had this before.



According to the app on my phone we walked almost 6 miles on this area and only saw a hen pheasant. We knew there were quail there but we didn’t see them. We went to another area.

The next area we went to, we had never been before. We had driven by earlier but didn’t stop. It was like the other area with hedge rows running through harvested soy bean fields. The soy bean fields were in the bottoms and there was some good grass along a hill at the back.

Vince went down one hedge row and I went down another about 75 yards to the north. About half way down Tur Bo went on point with Sally and Mann honoring. I yelled at Vince and he came across. Allie honored when she came across. Vince went on the other side. When we got close the hedge row was too thick for us to get in. Vince sent Maggie in. Nothing flushed. We went to the end of the hedge row then checked the grass field. Nothing.

We went to another hedge row along the grassy hillside. When we got to the hedge row Sally and Allie were on point in the grass. I saw Mann go on point along the hedge row. I hadn’t seen the two dogs in the grass on point. Vince said, “you go to his and I’ll go to these”.

Sally on point.

Mann was close and when I got to him a covey of quail flushed out the other side without giving me a shot. The hedge row was thick but there was a small opening that deer had been using and I went through. Vince had his back to where I was and never saw the covey.

I went through the hedge row toward Vince and a single quail flushed. It dropped when I shot and Sally came to me and found the dead bird. The single got up far enough behind Vince that he never heard it. He wondered what I had shot at.

The dogs that had been on point may have been pointing the covey and it ran to where Mann had pointed. The hedge row had been thick enough that I couldn’t see where the birds had flown to, just the direction. We started down the hedge row, through the weeds, in the direction the covey had flown. Tur Bo came in front of me and went on point. When we went in a bird got up maybe 25 yards ahead of him. By the time I shot the bird was too far away. I missed, anyway.

Indy backing Sally.

Sally pointed right in front of me. When we got close a single quail flushed 15 yards in front of her but tried to fly back behind us. It was my favorite shot. From right to left. It dropped when I shot and Maggie retrieved.

We hunted on toward the road through the weed field without seeing any more quail. Sally pointed along the fence row next to the road but we never saw a bird. We went through the weed field again then on to the top of the hill. Since we had never been here before we needed to see what was back there.

As we were going toward the back the GPS showed Mann on point. When we got close he was standing in the center of a mowed strip looking back to the north. As we went to him I could see by his head that he was looking a long way ahead. When I got closer I saw a white log that Mann was honoring. Sally came around the log and saw Mann and honored. I went ahead of Mann and said, “okay” and they both started moving. Mann went to the log and sniffed it before going back to hunting.

We went to the back of the hillside where it turned into solid woods then turned back toward the road. As we came back along the road Sally pointed. When we got close, with the other dogs honoring, Vince sent Maggie in to flush. A single quail flushed and flew down the road. We didn’t shoot.

Tur Bo on point with his daughter, Sally, honoring.

We went toward the truck and Tur Bo pointed. Again, the other dogs honored. when Maggie went in all of the dogs started moving and several yards down a single quail flushed. I think, because the birds are running away from the dogs they are losing the scent by the time we get there.

Sally pointed again before we got back to the truck. All three of these birds flew across the road so we didn’t shoot. When we got back to the truck we loaded dogs.

Before Vince could load Maggie a hunter shot just down the road from us. We think it was a black powder rifle but Maggie went toward him to help him retrieve. I told Vince he should have let her go. If the guy had shot a deer that would be another species that 25 pound Maggie would have retrieved. Vince just looked at me. Some statements don’t deserve a response. We loaded dogs and started home.



On these really windy days, with everything shaking and rattling around the birds, I think they flush easier and they also run more, in my opinion. Some of the time the birds run for a long way then flush.
Younger guys, that can see and hear, better than Vince and I do may have seen birds flushing ahead of the dogs. Oh well, it was a good day.

Mann on pigeons.

Babe with a pigeon asleep in front of her.

Sally on wild quail.



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Windypoint’s Baby Doll (Dolly), 2/27/06– 1/7/19

Today, when I cleaned pens and fed dogs Dolly didn’t come out of her house. Yesterday I told my wife, June, that she didn’t look or act good. After cleaning pens I went into her kennel and tried to get her to come out of her house. She just laid there looking at me. I knew it was time.

Dolly honoring Mann who is honoring Sally.

Dolly honoring Mann.


Dolly a few years ago

Dolly a few years ago

She was born in my kennel, on February 27, 2006 to my old female, Lady and a son of Grouse Ridge Reroy. I think there was 4 males and 1 female in the litter. From the start she picked me. At about 6 weeks old she would climb the chain link fence and get on the dog house because she got more attention there than her litter mates.

Mr. Wehle of Elhew Kennels fame, said the way to tell how smart a dog was is to watch how they understand gates. Dolly, when she was about 3 months old was loose in my big pen that is around the kennel. I was outside the big pen working on something, sitting in the door of my shed. Dolly came to the fence between us wanting to be with me. I told her I wasn’t lifting her over the fence. She would have to go out the gate.

The gate to the big pen was open but she would have to go away from me to the east through the gate then a short distance to the north and back west to me. I didn’t get up I just waved the direction of the gate. She took off and in a few seconds was with me at the door of the shed.

She would get on the top of her house when I came into her kennel and I would pet her. Her tail would curl over until it touched her back. I really didn’t want a dog with a sickle tail. I told June that I was going to sell her. June kept saying you better wait. That tail may straighten. And it did.



She was about 9 months old and we were hunting with Jim Needham and Vince Dye. She covered a lot of ground and I was running her with a beeper collar. We had been into some quail. I could barely hear her beeper. She was a long way off, on point. Jim and I started to her.

She was a good 350 yards from us buried in a ditch, when we found her. She was standing there with her head as high as it would reach and a twelve o’clock tail. Sometimes, when you really want to kill a bird for a young dog, you put too much pressure on yourself. Jim was on her right and I was on the left. A single quail flushed and I dropped it right in front of her. She nuzzled it around but I don’t remember her retrieving.

On this same hunt, she wanted to walk in with us when another dog pointed. She would back until we got there but then she thought she could go in. I put an e-collar around her flanks for the first time, ever. The next time a dog pointed I stayed behind. When Jim and Vince walked in she took a couple of steps and I pushed the button on the e-collar and she stopped. Before the birds flushed she took another step and I hit the e-collar again. That was it, she never failed to honor after that. I stayed behind on the next point but she never moved after she honored.

In January Vince and I went to south Texas, quail hunting. She did really well for 3 days. She wasn’t quite a year old and she was pointing as many birds as any of the dogs were and more than some. Vince was about as proud of her as I was. He really liked her.

There were a lot of quail on the big ranch that we were hunting but the next day we went to a friend of Paul Haass that had more quail than any place I’ve ever been. Ben Vaughn had about 10 coveys of quail on a 40 acre place. When we got there Ben was hunting with his dogs. Paul and Vince told Ben about Dolly.

Ben called his dogs in and said to get her out. I turned her loose and there was so much scent on that place that she ran through a covey and before they could light she would get another up. She moved 4 coveys and never made a point. Finally, she came by me and I grabbed her and put her in the truck. That taught me to never brag on your dog.

A few years ago I got the opportunity to guide at Bird Fever in Richmond Missouri. I used her and Lucky most of the time. Sometimes Dolly and Tur Bo. On one Continental hunt we were cleaning up afterwards. I had several hunters and there were a lot of birds in our area.

We had a strong wind out of the north east but her and Lucky were finding a lot of birds that had been missed that morning. We got to the edge of the farm where a lot of blackberry vines, plum thickets and brush of all kinds joined a hedge row. Dolly went on point with the strong wind hitting her right in the butt. I got the hunters around and went in to flush her bird. Nothing flushed but she was still on point.

I tried to get her to move but she wouldn’t. I tapped her head and she moved about 10 yards and went back on point. The wind was still behind her. I went back in front of her and nothing flushed. I tapped her head and she moved up again.

She went back on point. There was no room to get hunters in there so I tried to flush something back to them. Nothing. I tapped her head and she ran to the fence and picked up a dead chukar. How she smelled it that far away, against the wind is beyond me. But she did.

I had a few litters of puppies from her and Lucky. Once I took her to Georgia and bred her to Shadow Oak Bo. From Bo she only had 4 pups. I kept one male, Tur Bo.

Dolly was also Luke’s mother out of Windypoint’s Lucky Dog. That makes her Sally’s grandmother and Mann and Babe’s great grandmother. Some good blood runs in all of my dogs.


I carried her to my truck and we went to Independence Animal Hospital. When they called me I carried her into the examining room. Dr. Wingert took a look and said I did the right thing. She was in pain and at her age she wasn’t going to get any better. I rubbed her head as she went into her final sleep.

Even when you know it’s the right thing, it’s really hard. I wish dogs lived longer. I’m going to miss her.

Dolly

Dolly honoring Sally.

Dolly on point.



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